Working at Google: Security, anti-abuse and artificial intelligence | Cyber Work Podcast

Elie Bursztein joins us on today’s episode to talk all about his role as chief research lead for anti-abuse at Google! Along with Infosec Founder Jack Koziol and Cyber Work Podcast host Chris Sienko, they discuss the difference between the practices of security and anti-abuse, the difference between protecting Google the company and Gmail the product, and the aspects of security and anti-abuse that AI will never be able to do.

0:00​ – Intro
2:35 – Starting a career in cybersecurity
12:57 – Entering the industry today
19:09​ – Career progression
42:18​ – Tech and academia collaboration for anti-abuse research
52:26​ – Getting hired in anti-abuse and cybersecurity
1:01:09​ – Future of machine learning as AI hacking
1:16:26 – Outro

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Elie Bursztein leads the Security and Anti-Abuse Research team at Google. He focuses on deep learning and cryptography research, and among many other accomplishments, broke SHA-1. His website,, is packed with informative articles and online talks he’s given over the years, a veritable master-class for any cybersecurity aspirants. He also describes himself as a wearer of berets and a purveyor of magic tricks in his spare time.

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